【Hacker News搬运】伊丽莎在SNOBOL4

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Title: Eliza in SNOBOL4

伊丽莎在SNOBOL4

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Url: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/987452.987458

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lysace: Memories from when the majority of my programming information/influences (I was bbs/modem-less) in the early 90s came from this CD-ROM disc that I had purchased. It was from: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simtel" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simtel</a><p>The CD-ROM had this whole SNOBOL directory iirc. This CD-ROM was my entire world for like two years (until I got Internet access in 1995). I miss having oodles of time with zero pressure to do something that pays the bills.<p>It was like having this gigantic curated dump of collected, sometimes quite old information from a connected world I had no access to. It felt so weird. Like discovering ancient alien civilizations, with no information on how to decipher it all.<p>I think so many of us were so starved for information back then.

lysace: 回忆起我大部分的编程信息；90年代初的影响（我没有bbs调制解调器）来自我购买的这张CD-ROM光盘。它来自：<a href=“https:”en.wikipedia.org“wiki&quot；Simtel”rel=“nofollow”>https:&#x2F；en.wikipedia.org；维基；Simtel</a><p>CD-ROM上有整个SNOBOL目录iirc。在大约两年的时间里，这张CD-ROM一直是我的整个世界（直到1995年我接入互联网）。我怀念在没有压力的情况下花大量时间做一些能支付账单的事情<p> 这就像是从一个我无法访问的互联世界中收集了一堆巨大的、有时相当古老的信息。感觉太奇怪了。就像发现古代外星文明一样，没有关于如何破译这一切的信息<p> 我想当时我们很多人都非常渴望信息。

gustavopezzi: A couple of years ago I was lucky to teach a compiler class with Roberto Ierusalimschy from PUC-Rio, where we used a PEG parser for Lua called LPEG. That semester we spoke a lot about LPEG's implementation and that was very important for me to understand the original motivations for SNOBOL. I'm glad to see more examples of proper SNOBOL code in action. Thanks for the post.

gustavopezzi: 几年前，我有幸与来自PUC Rio的Roberto Ierusalischy一起教了一门编译器课，在那里我们为Lua使用了一个名为LPEG的PEG解析器。那个学期，我们谈了很多关于LPEG的事情；这对我理解SNOBOL的最初动机非常重要。我；我很高兴看到更多正确的SNOBOL代码的例子。谢谢你的帖子。

JKCalhoun: I have never looked at SNOBOL code before. I had heard of it because the arcade game <i>TRON</i> had a SNOBOL level (in addition to levels: FORTRAN, BASIC, etc.).<p>I had also not seen the <i>Eliza</i> code before. Very fun.

JKCalhoun: 我以前从未看过SNOBOL代码。我听说它是因为街机游戏《TRON》有SNOBOL级别（除了FORTRAN、BASIC等级别）<p> 我以前也没有见过<I>Eliza</I>代码。非常有趣。

syndicatedjelly: The original paper by Weizenbaum is a blast to read. The sample interaction with ELIZA is genuinely humorous. He also makes a number of observations that sound like precursors to societal issues today, such as how humans may perceive human-like machines, and whether it matters if humans can even recognize the non-humans among us.<p><a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/365153.365168" rel="nofollow">https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/365153.365168</a>

syndicatedjelly: Weizenbaum的原始论文读起来很刺激。与ELIZA的互动示例真的很幽默。他还提出了一些听起来像是当今社会问题的前兆的观察结果，例如人类如何感知类人机器，以及人类是否能够识别我们中的非人是否重要&#x2F；dl.acm.org；doi；pdf；10.1145℉；365153.365168</a>

tomcam: I’ve wanted to see SNOBOL code in the wild for 40 years. Long time getting that itch scratched.

tomcam: 40年来，我一直想在野外看到SNOBOL代码。痒抓了好久了。