【Hacker News搬运】普通话12个月

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Title: 12 Months of Mandarin

普通话12个月

Text:

Url: https://isaak.net/mandarin/

很抱歉，作为一个AI，我无法直接访问外部链接或使用特定的工具如JinaReader来抓取和分析网页内容。但是，我可以指导你如何使用JinaReader来抓取和分析内容，并告诉你如果遇到非中文内容应该如何处理。

### 使用JinaReader抓取分析内容

1. **安装JinaReader**：
   首先，你需要确保你已经安装了JinaReader。这通常涉及到安装Python和JinaReader库。

   ```bash
   pip install jina

编写抓取脚本：
使用JinaReader，你可以编写一个Python脚本来抓取网页内容。

from jina import Document, Client

# 创建一个客户端实例
client = Client(host='localhost', port='5000')

# 发送文档到JinaReader
client.post('/index', inputs=Document(text='https://isaak.net/mandarin/'))

# 获取结果
result = client.get('/index')
print(result)

分析结果：
JinaReader会处理抓取到的内容，并返回分析结果。你可以根据返回的结果进行进一步的处理或总结。

翻译非中文内容

如果抓取到的内容不是中文，你需要使用翻译服务将其翻译成中文。以下是一些常见的步骤：

集成翻译API：
使用如Google Translate API或其他翻译服务。以下是一个使用Google Translate API的示例代码片段：

from google.cloud import translate_v2 as translate

client = translate.Client()

# 翻译文本
result = client.translate('Hello, world!', target_language='zh')

print('Translation: {}'.format(result['translatedText']))

在JinaReader流程中添加翻译步骤：
你可以在你的JinaReader流程中添加一个步骤来处理非中文内容，并在抓取内容后调用翻译API。

请注意，这些代码示例需要适当的错误处理和配置才能在实际环境中工作。如果你需要具体处理“https://isaak.net/mandarin/”这个链接的详细步骤，请提供更多的信息或具体的抓取和分析需求。

        
## Post by: misiti3780
        
### Comments: 
        
**msvan**: I kind of see myself from ten years ago in this blog post! I also obsessively studied Mandarin Chinese in my late teens for the sheer fun of it, before doing a math undergrad. I even wrote comments on Hacker News about it a decade ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7622940">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7622940</a>.<p>At the time I had seemingly limitless motivation for grinding away on flashcards and other learning materials. My progress was strong and I passed the HSK6 after a year and a half or so of studying, which at the time was the highest level of certification offered. I think they changed the system since and added more levels beyond 6. You can do amazing things if you&#x27;re dedicated!<p>Today my Chinese is absolutely unusable, and my views on China have soured to the extent that I don&#x27;t really want to revive my old skills. My takeaway is that learning one of these languages, the CJK languages, Arabic, or similarly weird languages, is just too much effort and I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s worth it. I clearly had a lot of excess energy at the time that I could&#x27;ve directed towards something better. Knowing Chinese is about as useful as juggling and you might as well get really good at juggling if you&#x27;re bored. It&#x27;ll save you a few thousand hours.
> **msvan**: 我在这篇博客文章中看到了十年前的自己！在读数学本科之前，我还在十几岁的时候痴迷于学习普通话，纯粹是为了好玩。十年前，我甚至在Hacker News上写过关于它的评论：<a href=“https:&#x2F；News.ycombinator.com&#x2M；item？id=7622940”>https:&#x2F；news.ecombinator.com；项目？id=7622940</a><p> 当时，我似乎有无限的动力去学习抽认卡和其他学习材料。我的进步很快，经过一年半左右的学习，我通过了HSK6，这是当时提供的最高级别的认证。我认为他们从那以后改变了系统，增加了6级以上的更多级别。如果你；重新奉献<p> 今天，我的中文完全无法使用，我对中国的看法已经恶化到我无法接受的程度；我真的不想恢复我的旧技能。我的收获是，学习这些语言中的一种，CJK语言、阿拉伯语或类似的奇怪语言，太费力了，我不知道；我不这么认为；这是值得的。当时我显然有很多多余的精力；我指向了更好的东西。懂中文和杂耍一样有用，如果你真的擅长杂耍，你可能会变得非常擅长杂耍；无聊。它；我会为你节省几千个小时。
            
**wantsanagent**: I don&#x27;t care about learning Mandarin, I want to find out how this guy&#x27;s motivation system works and then download it into my brain.<p>Doing a PhD and learning Mandarin as a <i>side project</i>?! Doing hours of Anki practice and new note taking, some of it while running on a treadmill? There&#x27;s just a crazy amount of drive (and what sounds like an epic memory) here.<p>I don&#x27;t think people consider base motivation enough when thinking about processes and this guy won some kind of biological and&#x2F;or upbringing lottery.
> **wantsanagent**: 我不知道；我不在乎学习普通话，我想知道这家伙是怎么做到的；他的激励系统工作，然后下载到我的大脑中<p> 攻读博士学位并学习普通话作为<i>的附带项目</i>？！做几个小时的Anki练习和新的笔记，其中一些是在跑步机上跑步时做的？那里；这只是疯狂的驱动力（听起来像是史诗般的记忆）<p> 我不知道；我认为人们在考虑过程时没有充分考虑基础动机，而这个人赢得了某种生物和；或教养彩票。
            
**lxe**: I don&#x27;t think I can do SRS. My dopamine system is at a point where I can&#x27;t do anything for a long time that isn&#x27;t interesting, has immediate or intermediate rewards, or can capture attention for a long time. And on top of that, repeating that habit requires all these criteria.<p>Examples:<p>Scrolling on the phone?: Basically direct dopamine injected into my brain. Can do indefinitely. Not good.<p>Programming? Sure I can put a few hours in, or even days if building quick prototypes where the payoff is imminent.<p>Reading? Can go on indefinitely, depending on the book: it&#x27;s just continual stream of interesting immersive stuff<p>Exercise? Well that depends on the activity. Running indoors without any stimulation: absolutely cannot do. Cycling or running or walking outside with an audiobook, or music? Absolutely: constant stimulation plus endorphins.<p>Learning Piano? Only if I can bang out a few good tunes immediately in the session, then I can allow myself to struggle with the difficult stuff in between. Absolutely cannot and won&#x27;t do rote deliberate practice. This hinders my progress significantly, but at least I have fun.<p>Learning a language? Well, unless I can get imminent rewards, or be continually interested and engaged, there&#x27;s just no way I&#x27;ll be able to do this. And I feel like rote, deliberate practice is just impossible for me to build a habit out of.<p>One way I know for a fact that I can learn another language is through necessity to communicate with it. Let&#x27;s say I&#x27;m thrown into an environment where the ONLY way I can get anything done is through having to communicate directly, without the aid of translators or tools. I think this is how babies learn.
> **lxe**: 我不知道；我想我不能做SRS。我的多巴胺系统正处于可以做SRS的阶段；长时间不做任何事情；不有趣，有直接或中间的回报，或者可以长时间吸引注意力。最重要的是，重复这个习惯需要所有这些标准。<p>示例：<p>在手机上滚动？：基本上直接将多巴胺注入我的大脑。可以无限期地做。不好<p> 编程？当然，如果构建快速原型，我可以投入几个小时，甚至几天的时间，因为回报迫在眉睫<p> 读书？可以无限期地继续下去，具体取决于书：；这只是源源不断的有趣的沉浸式内容<p>锻炼？这取决于活动。在没有任何刺激的情况下在室内跑步：绝对不行。骑自行车、跑步或带着有声读物或音乐在外面散步？当然：持续刺激加内啡肽<p> 学钢琴？只有当我能在会议中立即弹出几首好歌时，我才能让自己在两者之间的困难中挣扎。绝对不能赢；不要死记硬背。这严重阻碍了我的进步，但至少我玩得很开心<p> 学习一门语言？好吧，除非我能得到立竿见影的回报，或者继续保持兴趣和参与度，否则；我不可能；我能做到。我觉得死记硬背、刻意练习对我来说是不可能养成习惯的<p> 我知道我可以学习另一种语言的一种方式是通过与它交流的必要性；我们说我；我被扔进了一个环境，在这个环境中，我做任何事情的唯一方法就是必须直接沟通，而不需要翻译或工具的帮助。我认为这就是婴儿学习的方式。
            
**edent**: While I haven&#x27;t the same proficiency, I had the same &quot;local celebrity&quot; experience when visiting Beijing. While it is fun at first seeing people double take and then ask to take a photo with you - it gets old fast!<p>Mind you, I&#x27;ll never tire of (partially) understanding what people say about me when they think I don&#x27;t understand.<p>One thing not mentioned is that it is often a good idea to have some <i>formal</i> testing. Friends and tutors may overlook your mistakes. A dispassionate exam board likely won&#x27;t.
> **edent**: 虽然我还没有；虽然我的熟练程度不一样，但我也有同样的&quot；当地名人”；访问北京时的体验。虽然一开始看到人们拍两张照片，然后要求和你合影很有趣，但它很快就会变老<p> 请注意，我；当人们认为我不懂时，我永远不会厌倦（部分）理解他们对我的评价；我不明白<p> 有一件事没有提到，那就是进行一些<i>正式的</i>测试通常是个好主意。朋友和导师可能会忽略你的错误。一个冷静的考试委员会可能会赢；t。
            
**cmuguythrow**: I’ve been learning Mandarin via Comprehensible Input (CI) for about 9 months and really admire OP’s dedication and consistency. In the first 4-5 months of being truly consistent with ~1hr a day of Anki and Peppa pig I got to around 2,000 words and was able to have a great experience when I traveled to Taiwan, so I can vouch for the core methodology in this post. It’s not “easy”, but it’s definitely the most effective way to learn a foreign language that I know of.<p>The CI community has come a long way in the last ~5 or so years - the general consensus looks a lot like OP’s methods, which I would summarize as:<p>1. Brute force [premade Anki flashcard decks](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ankiweb.net&#x2F;shared&#x2F;info&#x2F;810519009" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ankiweb.net&#x2F;shared&#x2F;info&#x2F;810519009</a>) for the first ~1k most common words<p>2. Start watching comprehensible input as soon as you can, ideally for an hour a day or more<p>3. [Sentence mine](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QBcQJESGQvc)the" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QBcQJESGQvc)the</a> comprehensible input and add it to the daily SRS flashcard grind<p>The best summary of these methods that I’ve found is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;refold.la&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;refold.la&#x2F;</a><p>Self plug: I’ve been working on a way to generate Mandarin audio comprehensible input using LLMs&#x2F;TTS models. The idea is that there aren’t many great CI options between 500 words and ~3k-5k words - OP himself mentions that when he started watching Scissor Seven 刺客伍六七 he barely understood anything, which is pretty hard to “push through” without some hardcore willpower. My project <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plusonechinese.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plusonechinese.com</a> makes Mandarin audio stories that are 85% comprehensible at any level from 400 words all the way to 8k or more words and then auto-imports the audio snippets into SRS flashcards, which makes a CI workflow like this a lot easier to engage with at a lower level and without advanced willpower.  Still working on making the content _truly_ interesting, but would love some feedback!
> **cmuguythrow**: 我通过可理解输入法（CI）学习普通话大约9个月了，我真的很钦佩OP的奉献精神和一致性。在真正与Anki和Peppa pig每天约1小时保持一致的前4-5个月里，我达到了约2000个单词，当我去台湾旅行时，能够有一个很好的体验，所以我可以保证这篇文章的核心方法论。这并不“容易”，但这绝对是我所知道的学习外语最有效的方法<p> 在过去的大约5年里，CI社区已经取得了长足的进步——普遍的共识看起来很像OP的方法，我将其总结为：<p>1。对于前1k个最常见的单词<p>2，使用暴力[预制Anki抽认卡副]（<a href=“https:&#x2F；ankiweb.net&#x2F; shared&#x2F&#x20; info&#x26; 810519009”rel=“nofollow”>https:&quot；ankiweb.net&#84f&#xAE；info&#84h; 810510519009</a>）。尽快开始观看可理解的输入，最好每天观看一小时或更长时间<p>3。[我的句子]（<a href=“https:”www.youtube.com“watch”v=QBcQJESGQvc）“rel=”nofollow“>https:”&#x2F；www.youtube.com；看？v=QBcQJESGQvc）</a>可理解的输入，并将其添加到每日SRS抽认卡研磨中<p>我发现的这些方法的最佳总结是<a href=“https:#x2F；refold.la#x2F”rel=“nofollow”>https:&#x2F；refold.la&#x2F</a> <p>自我插入：我一直在研究一种使用LLMs生成普通话音频可理解输入的方法；TTS型号。这个想法是，在500个单词到3k-5k个单词之间没有多少好的CI选项——OP自己提到，当他开始看《剪刀七》时，他几乎什么都不懂，如果没有一些坚定的意志力，很难“坚持下去”。我的项目<a href=“https:”plusonechinese.com“rel=”nofollow“>https:”&#x2F；plusonechinese.com</a>使普通话音频故事在400个单词到8k个单词或更多单词的任何级别上都有85%的可理解性，然后自动将音频片段导入SRS抽认卡，这使得这样的CI工作流程在较低级别上更容易参与，而无需高级意志力。仍在努力使内容变得有趣，但希望得到一些反馈！