【Hacker News搬运】Arm取消高通芯片设计许可

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Title: Arm is canceling Qualcomm's chip design license

Arm取消高通芯片设计许可

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Url: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-10-23/arm-to-cancel-qualcomm-chip-design-license-in-escalation-of-feud

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原文标题：ARM to cancel Qualcomm chip design license in escalation of feud

总结：
ARM公司宣布将取消与高通公司的芯片设计许可协议，这标志着两家公司之间争端的升级。

翻译成中文：
ARM公司宣布，将取消与高通公司签订的芯片设计许可协议，这一举动标志着这两家公司之间纠纷的加剧。

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mushufasa: Qualcomm is known for having a particularly aggressive & hardball-style legal department to enforce its patents on core telecom IP. I believe the most likely outcome is they just settle the dispute here. Arm fighting hardball with hardball.Which would not really affect the ecosystem of phones using Qualcomm arm chips, it would just change the margins / market cap of Qualcomm.Yes, longterm Q might invest in their own RISC implementations, but I don't see a viable business case for Qualcomm to just stop ARM development for the foreseeable future.

mushufasa: 高通公司以其特别积极进取而闻名；强硬的法律部门来执行其核心电信知识产权的专利。我认为最有可能的结果是他们只是解决了这里的争端。用硬球对抗硬球 这不会真正影响使用高通arm芯片的手机生态系统，只会改变利润率；高通公司的市值 是的，长期Q可能会投资于自己的RISC实现，但我不会；在可预见的未来，高通公司不会停止ARM的开发。

wmf: This "cancellation" is likely to be paused until the lawsuit is resolved so it's hard to say what this means. Presumably this is a part of the negotiations going on behind the scenes.

wmf: 这&quot；取消”；可能会暂停，直到诉讼得到解决，因此；很难说这是什么意思。这大概是幕后谈判的一部分。

fargle: > If Arm follows through with the license termination, Qualcomm would be prevented from doing its own designs using Arm’s instruction seti'm not sure this is true. certainly "chip" IP has been a real legal quagmire since, forever.but it was my understanding that you could neither patent nor copyright simply an "instruction set".presumably what you get from ARM with an architecture license would be patent licenses and the trademark. if so, what patents might be relevant or would be a problem if you were to make an "ARMv8-ish compatible" ISA/Architecture with a boring name? i haven't seen much about ARM that's architecturally particularly unique or new, even if specific implementation details may be patent-able. you could always implement those differently to the same spec.to further poke at the issue, if it's patents, then how does a RISC-V CPU or other ISA help you? simply because it's a different ISA, doesn't mean its implementation doesn't trample on some ARM patents either.if it's something to do with the ISA itself, how does that affect emulators?what's ARM's IP really consist of when you build your own non-ARM IP CPU from scratch? anyone have examples of show-stopper patents?

fargle: &gt；如果Arm坚持终止许可，高通将无法使用Arm的指令集进行自己的设计；我不确定这是真的。当然&quot；芯片”；从那以后，知识产权一直是一个真正的法律泥潭 但据我所知，你既不能简单地申请专利，也不能简单地获得版权；指令集” 大概你从ARM获得的架构许可证将是专利许可证和商标。如果是这样，如果你要制作一个&quot；兼容ARMv8-ish”；ISA；名字无聊的建筑？我还没有；我对ARM了解不多；s在架构上特别独特或新颖，即使具体的实现细节可能是可专利的。您始终可以对同一规范进行不同的实现。进一步探讨这个问题，如果；那么RISC-V CPU或其他ISA如何帮助您？仅仅因为它；这是一个不同的ISA，不是；这并不意味着它的实现不会；也不要践踏ARM的一些专利 如果；这和ISA本身有关，它对仿真器有什么影响 什么；s ARM；当你从头开始构建自己的非ARM IP CPU时，你的IP真的包括在内吗？有人有展示阻止专利的例子吗？

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MBCook: Let’s just assume this happens for a moment.What do Android OEMs do? They can’t use Apple chips, or now Qualcomm chips. Switching to another architecture is a big deal.Would this basically hand the Android market to Samsung and their Exynos chips? Or does another short term viable competitor exist?

MBCook: 让我们假设这种情况会发生一段时间 Android OEM做什么？他们不能使用苹果芯片，现在也不能使用高通芯片。切换到另一种架构是一件大事 这基本上会把安卓市场交给三星及其Exynos芯片吗？或者是否存在另一个短期可行的竞争对手？