【Hacker News搬运】波音公司对所有记得如何制造飞机的人做了什么

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Title: What Boeing did to all the guys who remember how to build a plane

波音公司对所有记得如何制造飞机的人做了什么

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Url: https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/

文章讲述了约翰·巴内特（John Barnett）在波音公司的工作经历。巴内特被他的上司嘲笑和排挤，因为他对飞机质量的严格把控与公司管理层降低成本和提高股价的目标相冲突。文章描述了波音公司在787梦想客机项目中的管理问题和质量控制问题，以及巴内特如何坚持原则，记录下他发现的各种问题。最终，巴内特因坚持原则而受到进一步的打压，包括被置于60天的纠正行动计划中，并最终被迫退休。

文章还提到了波音737 MAX飞机的两起致命坠机事故，这些事故被归咎于波音公司对安全问题的忽视。在文章的最后，提到了巴内特的死亡，他被发现在应该进行证词陈述的那天去世，据称是自杀，但他的前同事普遍不相信他是自杀的。

总的来说，文章揭示了波音公司在追求利润的过程中忽视了质量和安全，以及那些试图揭露这些问题的人所面临的困境。

Post by: doom2

Comments:

margalabargala: If you read this article looking for new or surprising insight, you won't find it. It is not new information that Boeing started a rapid decline shortly after the McDonnell Douglas merger, and it will be unsurprising to you to hear that shortly afterwards, Boeing began abusing its most senior employees into leaving.<p>What this article offers is new detail into exactly <i>how</i> Boeing has gone about cannibalizing itself. The specific things done to specific employees, the specific quality incidents that were swept under the rug, the lengths to which they went to ensure all prior institutional knowledge regarding how to properly build a plane was systematically destroyed.<p>It's worth reading, perhaps unless you're going to be flying on a Boeing plane anytime soon.

margalabargala: 如果你阅读这篇文章寻找新的或令人惊讶的见解，你将；我找不到。波音公司在麦道合并后不久就开始迅速衰落，这并不是什么新消息。不久之后，波音公司开始虐待其最高级员工离职，这也不足为奇<p> 这篇文章提供了新的细节，确切地说，<i>波音公司是如何自相残杀的。对特定员工所做的具体事情，被掩盖的具体质量事件，他们为确保之前关于如何正确制造飞机的所有机构知识都被系统地摧毁所付出的努力<p> 它；它值得一读，也许除非你；你很快就会乘坐波音飞机。

darth_avocado: > He mocked him in weekly meetings whenever he dared contribute a thought, assigned a fellow manager to spy on him and spread rumors that he did not play nicely with others, and disciplined him for things like “using email to communicate” and pushing for flaws he found on planes to be fixed.<p>Sounds like a regular middle manager in any tech company. Sad unfortunate effect of the power asymmetries in corporate structure: managers have all the power but very few checks to keep them accountable. I’ve seen the same thing happen again and again in different companies (including to me), thankfully none of them building planes.

darth_avocado: &gt；每当他敢于发表想法时，他都会在每周的会议上嘲笑他，指派一名经理同事监视他，散布他与他人相处不好的谣言，并因“使用电子邮件进行沟通”和推动修复他在飞机上发现的缺陷等事对他进行纪律处分<p> 听起来像是任何科技公司的常规中层管理人员。公司结构中权力不对称的不幸影响：管理者拥有所有的权力，但很少有制衡措施来追究他们的责任。我看到同样的事情在不同的公司（包括我）一次又一次地发生，谢天谢地，他们都没有制造飞机。

proc0: > Swampy believed relying on mechanics to self-inspect their work was not only insane but illegal<p>This sounds like the changes that have taken place in the software industry in the past 10-20 years. Engineers are meant to do much more than engineering, including testing their own software, managing project timelines, etc., however with software nobody dies, you just get crappy software that constantly breaks and needs an update every other day. There's an overall theme here of underestimating how hard engineering is, and as a result expecting a lot more from engineers which then of course causes bad engineering. Not surprisingly this is caused by non-technical people with power. Perhaps the fix is a cultural shift and a renewed respect for people who want to spend all their time specializing in technical skills.

proc0: &gt；Swampy认为，依靠机械师自我检查他们的工作不仅是疯狂的，而且是非法的。这听起来像是过去10-20年软件行业发生的变化。工程师所要做的远不止工程，包括测试自己的软件、管理项目时间表等。然而，有了软件，没有人会死，你只会得到糟糕的软件，它不断地坏掉，需要每隔一天更新一次。有；这里的一个总体主题是低估了工程的难度，因此对工程师的期望更高，这当然会导致糟糕的工程。毫不奇怪，这是由非技术人员造成的。也许解决办法是文化转变，重新尊重那些想把所有时间都花在专业技术技能上的人。

benced: I am not exaggerating to say that Jim McNerney should be dragged in front of Congress and be forced to explain what he did to an incredibly important American company. It's important to push back against the shareholder value theory where appropriate and humiliation is an underrated component of that.

benced: 我毫不夸张地说，吉姆·麦克纳尼应该被拖到国会面前，被迫解释他对一家极其重要的美国公司做了什么。它；在适当的时候反驳股东价值理论很重要，羞辱是其中被低估的一个组成部分。

YeBanKo: <p><pre><code> > “Prince Jim”—as some long-timers used to call him—repeatedly invoked a slur for longtime engineers and skilled machinists in the obligatory vanity “leadership” book he co-wrote. Those who cared too much about the integrity of the planes and not enough about the stock price were “phenomenally talented assholes,”
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Decline in attention to quality at Boeing is a known thing. But this attitude towards engineering and specially to machinist is just utterly f*king stupid. Especially to machinists, because experienced one are hard to find, not even talking about toolmakers. It seems that the starting salary for machinists isn't that great and many shops lost to outsource. And experienced folks retire leaving a wide gap behind. Of course, this does not excuse such an attitude toward engineers either.

YeBanKo: <p><pre><code>&gt；在他与人合著的一本强制性的虚荣的“领导力”书中，一些资深人士曾称他为“吉姆王子”，并多次引用对长期工程师和熟练机械师的侮辱。那些过于关心飞机的完整性而对股价不够关心的人是“才华横溢的混蛋”</code></pre>波音公司对质量关注度的下降是众所周知的。但这种对工程的态度，尤其是对机械师的态度，简直是愚蠢至极。尤其是对机械师来说，因为很难找到有经验的人，甚至不谈论工具制造商。看来机械师的起薪是；太棒了，很多商店都被外包给了。经验丰富的人退休后留下了很大的差距。当然，这也不能成为对工程师持这种态度的借口。