【Hacker News搬运】脸书让网飞看到用户DM,退出流媒体让网飞开心
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Title: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy
脸书让网飞看到用户DM,退出流媒体让网飞开心
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Url: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/netflix-ad-spend-led-to-facebook-dm-access-end-of-facebook-streaming-biz-lawsuit/
标题:Facebook允许Netflix查看用户私信,以终止流媒体业务取悦Netflix:诉讼 作者:Scharon Harding 发布日期:2024年3月28日 图片:![Top Image](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/GettyImages-1205399629-1200x675.jpg) 正文: 去年四月,Meta宣布将不再支持Facebook Watch上的原创节目,如Jada Pinkett Smith的Red Table Talk节目。曾经被视为YouTube和Netflix竞争对手的Meta流媒体业务现在已经实质上死亡;Facebook不再制作原创系列节目,Facebook Watch也不再作为一个视频流媒体应用提供。 流媒体业务的消亡似乎与Meta的成本削减措施有关,这些措施还包括裁员。然而,最近在针对Meta的反垄断诉讼中解密的法院文件[PDF]声称,Meta为了取悦其最大的广告客户之一——Netflix,而结束了其流媒体梦想。 据Gizmodo报道,一份文件于4月14日提交,与一项于2020年12月提交的针对Meta客户的集体诉讼有关,该诉讼指控Meta采取反竞争行为,损害社交媒体竞争和消费者。这份于周六公开的信要求法院要求Netflix的创始人兼前CEO Reed Hastings回应传票,以提交与案件有关的文件。原始投诉[PDF]中除了提到Facebook与Netflix“秘密签署白名单和数据共享协议”外,还提到了“数十”家其他第三方应用程序开发者,但没有提到Netflix。该案仍在进行中。 信中称,由于Netflix在Facebook上的广告支出巨大,因此Netflix与Facebook的关系非常密切,Hastings指导了“谈判,以结束Facebook的视频流媒体竞争”。 可能有人会问,为什么像Facebook这样的公司会允许Netflix影响如此重要的商业决策。诉讼称,两家公司建立了一个有利可图的商业关系,其中包括Facebook据称向Netflix提供了对Facebook用户私人消息的访问权限: 到2013年,Netflix已经开始进入一系列“Facebook扩展API”协议,包括所谓的“Inbox API”协议,该协议允许Netflix通过编程方式访问Facebook用户的私人消息收件箱,作为交换,Netflix将“向FB提供每两周一次的书面报告,显示通过界面、启动表面和/或实现变体(例如,Facebook与非Facebook推荐接收者)的日常推荐发送和接收点击计数... 2013年8月,Facebook向Netflix提供了其所谓的“Titan API”的访问权限,这是一个私有API,允许白名单合作伙伴访问,包括其他事项,Facebook用户的“消息应用和非应用朋友”。 Meta表示,它已经在Messenger和Facebook上推出了端到端加密“用于所有个人聊天和通话”。并且在2018年,Facebook告诉Vox,它不会使用私人消息进行广告定位。但是几个月后,《纽约时报》根据“数百页的Facebook文件”报道,Facebook“允许Netflix和Spotify阅读Facebook用户的私人消息”。 Meta没有回应Arstechnica的评论请求。该公司告诉Gizmodo,它目前与Netflix有标准协议,但没有回答出版物具体的问题。
Post by: edsimpson
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tsunamihippo: The article skips a lot of context to make it sound significantly worse than reality. Facebook didn't just randomly give Netflix access to everyone's messages. Specific user would need to purposefully log in to the Netflix app with their Facebook account in order to grant Netflix access to the chat functionality (intended to send movie recommendations to Facebook friends inside the Netflix app).<p><a href="https://about.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-messaging-partnerships/" rel="nofollow">https://about.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-messaging-partne...</a><p>Disclaimer: I work at Facebook but not on messaging or anything related to this article.
tsunamihippo: 这篇文章跳过了很多上下文,使它听起来比现实糟糕得多。Facebook没有;t只是随机地将Netflix访问权授予每个人;的消息。特定用户需要有目的地使用其Facebook帐户登录Netflix应用程序,以便授予Netflix访问聊天功能的权限(旨在向Netflix应用内的Facebook朋友发送电影推荐)<p> <a href=“https://;/;about.fb.com.#xx2F;news/!2018/:12/,facebooks消息合作伙伴关系/”rel=“nofollow”>https:///;关于.fb.com;news/;2018年;12;facebooks消息部分</a> <p>免责声明:我在Facebook工作,但不从事消息传递或与本文相关的任何工作。
mcherm: I'm not clear whether I understood what the article is claiming. It's clear they claim that Meta shared customer's direct messages with a business partner without notifying the individuals who sent and received the messages. It also SOUNDED to me like the article was claiming they did so AFTER Meta introduced "end-to-end encryption" (which would ALSO mean that they were lying about offering end-to-end encryption). Am I reading that correctly?
mcherm: I-;I’我不清楚我是否理解这篇文章的意思。它;很明显,他们声称Meta共享了客户;s与业务合作伙伴直接发送消息,而不通知发送和接收消息的个人。在我看来,这篇文章声称他们是在Meta推出“;端到端加密”;(这也意味着他们在提供端到端加密方面撒谎)。我读对了吗?
neilv: I don't recall this potential bombshell (maybe because it was shortly before a Christmas, and the NYT headline looked like just more of the same ol'):<p>> <i>And in 2018, Facebook told Vox that it doesn't use private messages for ad targeting. But a few months later, The New York Times, citing "hundreds of pages of Facebook documents," reported that Facebook "gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages."</i><p>2018-12-18 <a href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/12/report-facebook-let-companies-get-even-more-data-than-previously-known/" rel="nofollow">https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/12/report-facebook-...</a><p>2018-12-18 <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/technology/facebook-privacy.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/technology/facebook-priva...</a>
neilv: 我不;我不记得这个潜在的爆炸性事件了(也许是因为那是在圣诞节前不久,《纽约时报》的标题看起来更像是一个爆炸性事件):<p>><i> 2018年,Facebook告诉Vox;不要将私人信息用于广告定位。但几个月后,《纽约时报》援引“;数百页的Facebook文档;报道称,Facebook“;让Netflix和Spotify能够阅读Facebook用户的私人信息"</i> <p>2018-12-18<a href=“https://;/;arstechnica.com/:技术政策/!2018//;arstechnical.com/;技术政策;2018年;12;报告脸书-</a> <p>2018-12-18<a href=“https://;/;www.nytimes.com/!2018/:12ȏ;18/,technologyȏ,facebook privacy.html”rel=“nofollow”>https:///;www.nytimes.com;2018年;12;18;technology;脸书私人</一
kylecazar: What is being claimed here?<p>'granted programmatic access to FB user's inboxes' could mean a lot of things. What privileges? I read the article and still can't tell.<p>I don't believe that Meta allowed Netflix to read messages that a user sent or received, but that seems to be what they're implying.
kylecazar: 这里声称的是什么<p> -;被授予对FB用户的编程访问权;s的收件箱;可能意味着很多事情。什么特权?我读了这篇文章,仍然可以;我说不出来<p> 我不;我不相信Meta允许Netflix读取用户发送或接收的消息,但这似乎就是他们所做的;暗示。
stephenm00: Buried in the article, but not just Netflix, Spotify as well.<p>The New York Times, citing "hundreds of pages of Facebook documents," reported that Facebook "gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages."
stephenm00: 埋在文章里的不仅仅是网飞,还有Spotify<p> 《纽约时报》援引“;数百页的Facebook文档;报道称,Facebook“;让Netflix和Spotify能够阅读Facebook用户的私人信息";