【Hacker News搬运】英伟达及其合作伙伴建立了一个绕过美国出口限制的系统

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Title: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

英伟达及其合作伙伴建立了一个绕过美国出口限制的系统

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Url: https://twitter.com/kakashiii111/status/1853433531260649532

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Post by: mgh2

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bruce511: Nvidia is obviously a US company, but the chips themselves are manufactured in Taiwan.<p>And of course China sees Taiwan as a rogue province, at at least treats invasion there as "on the table". While the US <i>may</i> decide to actively support Taiwan, at the very least a war over that will disrupt production.<p>Should Taiwan fall, and China choose to ban exports from there to the US, then the fun and games would really start.<p>As long as back-channels exist to supply the chips to China, then there's less incentive for China to control Taiwan. The ban exists as good politics (we don't ship to our adversaries) while the back-channels ensure they aren't forced into a position no-one wants them to be in.

bruce511: 英伟达显然是一家美国公司，但芯片本身是在台湾制造的<p> 当然，中国将台湾视为一个流氓省份，至少将入侵台湾视为“侵略”；在桌子上&quot；。虽然美国可能会决定积极支持台湾，但至少一场战争会扰乱生产<p> 如果台湾衰落，中国选择禁止从那里出口到美国，那么娱乐和游戏将真正开始<p> 只要存在向中国供应芯片的反向渠道，那么就有；中国控制台湾的动机较少。该禁令作为良好的政治手段存在（我们不会向对手发货），而幕后渠道则确保他们不会发货；不要被迫进入一个没有人希望他们处于的位置。

mgh2: Article: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42048033">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42048033</a>

mgh2: 文章：<a href=“https:&#x2F；news.ycombinator.com&#x2M；item？id=42048033”>https:&quot&#x2F；news.ecombinator.com；项目？id=42048033</a>

nemothekid: We will see what happens - but given nvidias growth and how heavy they are now weighted I’m skeptical there will be any enforcement until well after the elections.<p>Neither party wants to look “bad for the economy”, even if the people harmed isn’t of significant size.

nemothekid: 我们会看看会发生什么，但考虑到nvidias的增长以及它们现在的权重，我怀疑在选举后很久才会有任何执法行动<p> 两党都不想看起来“对经济不利”，即使受伤害的人数并不多。

lithiumii: The more they sell, the less likely China & others are going to make a <i>real</i> alternative.

lithiumii: 他们卖的越多，中国和美国的可能性就越小；其他人会做出一个真正的<i>替代品。

infocollector: I am not sure I buy this argument that Nvidia management was complicit, but it does need investigation.

infocollector: 我不确定我是否认同英伟达管理层串通一气的说法，但确实需要调查。