【Hacker News搬运】飞行航空母舰（2019）

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Title: Flying Aircraft Carriers (2019)

飞行航空母舰（2019）

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Url: https://neverwasmag.com/2019/08/flying-aircraft-carriers/

飞行的航空母舰在蒸汽朋克、柴油朋克和原子朋克小说中经常出现，我们可以将其视为一个流派的主题。从《女孩天才》中的《Wulfenbach城堡》到《天际上尉和明日世界》中的英国航空母舰，再到S.H.I.E.L.D.的直升机航母，这里是对这些天空巨兽的探讨。

飞行航空母舰在现实中也有基础。第一次世界大战时期的英国飞艇携带了可以保卫母舰免受攻击的双翼飞机。美国海军在1930年代进行了类似的“寄生飞机”计划。

苏联也进行了类似的尝试。Zveno项目将小型战斗机放在图波列夫TB-1和TB-3轰炸机的机翼上。这种配置在第二次世界大战初期的罗马尼亚使用过。

美国海军实际上建造了两艘这样的飞艇，分别是1931年和1933年发射的《阿克伦》号和《麦克伦》号。它们是有史以来最大的氦气飞艇。

在流行科幻作品中，飞行航空母舰的例子比比皆是。最著名的可能是漫威漫画和电影中的S.H.I.E.L.D.直升机航母。它在电影中的表现形式从字面上的一艘飞行舰到最近的旋转叶片版本都有所不同。

在《天际上尉和明日世界》中，英国皇家海军的航空母舰也是飞行航空母舰的例子。它们属于英国舰队，因为在现实世界的1930年代，英国仍然是世界上首屈一指的海权国家。

《Skyland》动画系列展示了两艘飞行航空母舰，分别是《圣纳扎尔》号和《卡利斯托》号。它们各自携带十架名为Mosquito的战斗机。

在《女孩天才》中，有一个名为《Wulfenbach城堡》的飞行堡垒，可以容纳整个飞船。在《Iron Sky》中，纳粹使用了一种可以进入太空的巨型齐柏林飞艇，可以携带飞行圆盘编队。

在《Ace Combat》系列游戏中，飞行航空母舰也是一个常见元素。从《Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere》中的UI-4053《斯菲尔纳》号，到《Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation》中的《埃吉翁》号，再到《Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown》中的《军火鸟》号，都是飞行航空母舰的例子。

《Saints Row: The Third》中的《代达罗斯》号也是一个移动的航空母舰，类似于某些S.H.I.E.L.D.直升机航母的诠释。

Post by: cainxinth

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simonw: Not enough people know that a hundred years ago there were genuine airship aircraft carriers flying around, launching biplanes and then having them land back on the airship while it was still flying!<p>How do you land a biplane on a Zeppelin? You fly up underneath it, match your speed with that of the airship, then hook onto a landing frame lowered beneath the aircraft and let it lift you back onboard.<p>I gave a talk about Zeppelin history back in 2008, and recently rediscovered the slides and audio and turned them into a YouTube video: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omobajJmyIU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omobajJmyIU</a><p>It has images of the biplane landing mechanism at 3m57s.

simonw: 没有足够多的人知道一百年前有真正的飞艇航空母舰四处飞行，发射双翼飞机，然后在飞艇还在飞行时让它们重新降落在飞艇上<p> 你是如何让双翼飞机降落在齐柏林飞船上的？你在它下面飞起来，使你的速度与飞艇的速度相匹配，然后挂在飞机下面的着陆架上，让它把你抬回飞机<p> 早在2008年，我就做了一次关于齐柏林飞船历史的演讲，最近我重新发现了幻灯片和音频，并将它们变成了YouTube视频：<a href=“https://；&#x2F；www.YouTube.com&#x2F！watch？v=omobajJmyIU”rel=“nofollow”>https://&#x2F；www.youtube.com&#x2F；看v=omobajJmyIU</a><p>它有双翼飞机着陆机构在3m57s的图像。

icegreentea2: Another parasite fighter concept that actually got to prototype and flight phase was the XF-85 Goblin. It's... pretty adorable actually.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin</a>

icegreentea2: 另一个真正进入原型和飞行阶段的寄生虫战斗机概念是XF-85地精。它；s…其实很可爱<p> <a href=“https://；&#x2F；en.wikipedia.org&#x20F；wiki&#x2F：McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin”rel=“nofollow”>https://&#x2F；en.wikipedia.org&#x2F；wiki&#x2F；McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin</a>

pfdietz: Admiral Moffett was killed in 1933 when the airship Akron crashed at sea. Moffett Field in California is named after him.<p>After airships were seen to be impractical, the navy switched its planning to use seaplanes. Originally intended also to be bombers (hence the PBY designation for "Patrol Bombers") they proved their worth in recon and rescue roles in WW2. Their ability to operate from unimproved islands (via seaplane tender ships) was somewhat overshadowed by the unforeseen speed with which the Seabees could build new forward airbases, and by the enormous expansion in US Navy aircraft carriers in the latter stages of the war.

pfdietz: 1933年，阿克伦号飞艇在海上坠毁，海军上将莫菲特遇难。加利福尼亚州的莫菲特球场就是以他的名字命名的<p> 在飞艇被认为不切实际之后，海军改变了使用水上飞机的计划。最初也打算成为轰炸机（因此PBY将其命名为“巡逻轰炸机”），它们在二战中证明了其侦察和救援作用的价值。他们在未经改进的岛屿上（通过水上飞机招标船）作战的能力在某种程度上被蜜蜂建造新的前沿空军基地的意外速度以及美国海军航空母舰在战争后期的巨大扩张所掩盖。

dredmorbius: We have had flying aircraft carriers in practice and a far more viable form since the advent of air-launched missiles in 1947.<p>Today, as several other comments have noted, cargo aircraft launching drone swarms are the most likely future development (along with further missile development). Cargo aircraft have vast capacity in both mass and volume. Drones which dispense with the need to support a human pilot, and can operate one-way / kamakazi mode (though return flight is an option), and often have limited top speeds and ranges, make far more sense than a lightweight (and typically limited-capability) manned fighter or bomber.<p>Another line of nontraditional aircraft carriers are those based on submarines, with the Japanese deploying several during WWII (these enacted the only Japanese aerial attacks on the US mainland, near Santa Barbara and along the Oregon coast), and I believe there was a Soviet study (possibly 941-BIS) to develop a large-scale submarine aircraft carrier. As with airborne aircraft carriers, submarine-as-missile-launch-platform (ballistic or cruise) is far more practicable.

dredmorbius: 自1947年空射导弹问世以来，我们已经在实践中拥有了飞行航空母舰，这是一种更可行的形式。<p>今天，正如其他一些评论所指出的，货机发射无人机群是最有可能的未来发展（以及进一步的导弹开发）。货机在质量和体积上都有巨大的容量。无人机无需支持人类飞行员，并且可以单向操作；kamakazi模式（尽管返航是一种选择），通常具有有限的最高速度和射程，比轻型（通常能力有限）载人战斗机或轰炸机更有意义<p> 另一系列非传统航空母舰是基于潜艇的航空母舰，日本在二战期间部署了几艘（这些航母是日本对美国本土、圣巴巴拉附近和俄勒冈州海岸唯一的空袭），我相信苏联曾进行过一项研究（可能是941-BIS），以开发一艘大型潜艇航空母舰。与机载航空母舰一样，潜艇作为导弹发射平台（弹道或巡航）更为可行。

zer00eyz: The US is all over this concept today, Only with bombers/transports and drones/UAV's<p><a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/here-come-the-gremlins-dod-tests-drone-launch-from-c-130-mothership/" rel="nofollow">https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/01/here-...</a><p><a href="https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/09/13/us-drone-swarms-tanker/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/09/13/us-drone-swarms-ta...</a><p>I suspect that in light of the war in Ukraine were going to see a lot of development on this front.

zer00eyz: 美国今天到处都是这个概念，只有轰炸机；运输工具和无人机；UAV；s<p><a href=“https://；&#x2F；arstechnical.com&#x2F：信息技术&#x2F！2020&#x2F？01&#x2F，此处为come-the-gremlins-dod-tests-drone-launch-from-c-130-母舰&#x2F”rel=“nofollow”>https://&#x2F；arstechnical.com&#x2F；信息技术；2020；01；在这里a> <p><a href=“https://；&#x2F；www.thefensepost.com&#x2F：2023&#x2F！09&#x2F？13&#x2F，美国无人机群加油机&#x2F”rel=“nofollow”>https://&#x2F；www.thefensepost.com&#x2F；2023；09；13；美国无人机蜂拥而至</a> <p>我怀疑，鉴于乌克兰战争，这方面会有很多发展。